The goal of this is very simple: be the best at predicting the stats of the new mega evolutions and Primal Reversions introduced in ORAS! There's no prize to be won, just bragging rights, but hey, if you're a Poképundit who can't resist a challenge, then this is for you!

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to split the 100 extra stat points in the five stats that can be boosted by mega evolution. (You can also write down HP for completion's sake, I don't care one way or the other.) For every point you're off by in any given stat, you'll score a point. The winner is the one that scores the least points, and ties will be broken according to who submitted their entry first. If any Pokémon gets less or more than 100 points (like Mega Alakazam did, presumably because its mega evolution was made prior to its special defense boost in development), the corresponding amount of points will be deducted from all participants' scores. Of course, feel free to use the hints found on Serebii and the official site to give you that extra edge!

Latias and Latios aren't part of the challenge, since their stats are already known. The deadline is either the scheduled launch date, or whenever stuff starts being leaked, whichever comes first. (Probably the latter.) There's still one CoroCoro left, but I'm doing this now because of the lack of time between its likely release and the games coming out.

To get us started, here are my predictions:

Beedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 50 Def, 45 SA, 90 SD, 115 Spd

Pidgeot: 83 HP, 90 Atk, 95 Def, 110 SA, 90 SD, 111 Spd

Slowbro: 95 HP, 95 Atk, 140 Def, 130 SA, 100 SD, 30 Spd

Sceptile: 70 HP, 115 Atk, 85 Def, 125 SA, 95 SD, 140 Spd

Swampert: 100 HP, 140 Atk, 110 Def, 105 SA, 110 SD, 70 Spd

Sableye: 50 HP, 85 Atk, 115 Def, 105 SA, 85 SD, 40 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 150 Atk, 60 Def, 105 SA, 60 SD, 115 Spd

Camerupt: 70 HP, 130 Atk, 100 Def, 135 SA, 105 SD, 20 Spd

Altaria: 75 HP, 100 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 115 SD, 90 Spd

Salamence: 95 HP, 155 Atk, 120 Def, 120 SA, 90 SD, 120 Spd

Metagross: 80 HP, 145 Atk, 140 Def, 115 SA, 110 SD, 110 Spd

Kyogre: 100 HP, 110 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 110 Spd

Groudon: 100 HP, 190 Atk, 160 Def, 110 SA, 100 SD, 110 Spd

Rayquaza: 105 HP, 180 Atk, 110 Def, 180 SA, 110 SD, 95 Spd

Lopunny: 65 HP, 116 Atk, 94 Def, 64 SA, 106 SD, 135 Spd

Gallade: 68 HP, 165 Atk, 65 Def, 85 SA, 135 SD, 100 Spd

Audino: 103 HP, 70 Atk, 116 Def, 70 SA, 116 SD, 70 Spd

Diancie: 50 HP, 150 Atk, 100 Def, 150 SA, 100 SD, 150 Spd

Beedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 50 Def, 40 SA, 90 SD, 120 Spd

ReplyDeletePidgeot: 83 HP, 100 Atk, 95 Def, 100 SA, 90 SD, 111 Spd

Slowbro: 95 HP, 95 Atk, 140 Def, 130 SA, 100 SD, 30 Spd

Sceptile: 70 HP, 120 Atk, 85 Def, 125 SA, 90 SD, 140 Spd

Swampert: 100 HP, 145 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 110 SD, 70 Spd

Sableye: 50 HP, 80 Atk, 120 Def, 100 SA, 95 SD, 40 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 140 Atk, 60 Def, 105 SA, 60 SD, 125 Spd

Camerupt: 75 HP, 130 Atk, 100 Def, 135 SA, 100 SD, 20 Spd

Altaria: 75 HP, 100 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 110 SD, 95 Spd

Salamence: 95 HP, 155 Atk, 120 Def, 120 SA, 90 SD, 120 Spd

Metagross: 80 HP, 145 Atk, 140 Def, 115 SA, 110 SD, 110 Spd

Kyogre: 100 HP, 110 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 110 Spd

Groudon: 100 HP, 190 Atk, 160 Def, 110 SA, 100 SD, 110 Spd

Rayquaza: 105 HP, 180 Atk, 110 Def, 180 SA, 110 SD, 95 Spd

Lopunny: 65 HP, 120 Atk, 94 Def, 64 SA, 102 SD, 135 Spd

Gallade: 68 HP, 160 Atk, 65 Def, 85 SA, 135 SD, 105 Spd

Audino: 103 HP, 65 Atk, 116 Def, 65 SA, 116 SD, 80 Spd

Diancie: 50 HP, 150 Atk, 100 Def, 150 SA, 100 SD, 150 Spd

Mostly agreed with you, so mostly minor tweaks here and there.

Camerupt: 70 HP, 135 Atk, 100 Def, 135 SA, 100 SD, 20 Spd

DeleteYeah accidentally put a 5 in HP instead of Atk.

Sableye: 50 HP, 80 Atk, 120 Def, 100 SA, 90 SD, 40 Spd

DeleteI MATH GUD

So we can assume that Groudon and Kyogre will be nearly unstoppable, if those defenses are correct.

ReplyDeleteI think that's the point. The only thing that is supposed to stop them is Mega Rayquaza or each other. Arceus would fare slightly better if Kyogre came in while it was at +2 at least, of course. Imagine the Uber Doubles...

DeleteRegardless, Uber bans probably await. Hello Uber Ubers tier.

DeleteBeedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 50 Def, 45 SA, 90 SD, 115 Spd

ReplyDeletePidgeot: 83 HP, 105 Atk, 85 Def, 110 SA, 90 SD, 111 Spd

Slowbro: 95 HP, 95 Atk, 140 Def, 130 SA, 100 SD, 30 Spd

Sceptile: 70 HP, 115 Atk, 85 Def, 125 SA, 95 SD, 140 Spd

Swampert: 105 HP, 140 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 110 SD, 70 Spd

Sableye: 50 HP, 85 Atk, 115 Def, 105 SA, 85 SD, 40 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 150 Atk, 60 Def, 105 SA, 60 SD, 115 Spd

Camerupt: 70 HP, 130 Atk, 100 Def, 135 SA, 105 SD, 20 Spd

Altaria: 85 HP, 100 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 115 SD, 80 Spd

Salamence: 95 HP, 155 Atk, 120 Def, 120 SA, 90 SD, 120 Spd

Metagross: 80 HP, 145 Atk, 140 Def, 115 SA, 110 SD, 110 Spd

Kyogre: 110 HP, 110 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 100 Spd

Groudon: 110 HP, 190 Atk, 160 Def, 110 SA, 100 SD, 100 Spd

Rayquaza: 105 HP, 180 Atk, 100 Def, 180 SA, 100 SD, 115 Spd

Lopunny: 65 HP, 116 Atk, 94 Def, 64 SA, 106 SD, 135 Spd

Gallade: 68 HP, 165 Atk, 65 Def, 85 SA, 135 SD, 100 Spd

Audino: 113 HP, 70 Atk, 116 Def, 70 SA, 116 SD, 60 Spd

Diancie: 50 HP, 150 Atk, 100 Def, 150 SA, 100 SD, 150 Spd

Gave in by the end, here are my entries. Like with DarkBlaze, mine just have a few minor modifications from yours.

You changed the HP of a lot of Pokémon. Was that a mistake, or do you really think they're going to start tampering with that now?

DeleteBeedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 50 Def, 45 SA, 90 SD, 115 Spd

DeletePidgeot: 83 HP, 105 Atk, 85 Def, 110 SA, 90 SD, 111 Spd

Slowbro: 95 HP, 95 Atk, 140 Def, 130 SA, 100 SD, 30 Spd

Sceptile: 70 HP, 115 Atk, 85 Def, 125 SA, 95 SD, 140 Spd

Swampert: 100 HP, 140 Atk, 110 Def, 105 SA, 110 SD, 70 Spd

Sableye: 50 HP, 85 Atk, 115 Def, 105 SA, 85 SD, 40 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 150 Atk, 60 Def, 105 SA, 60 SD, 115 Spd

Camerupt: 70 HP, 130 Atk, 100 Def, 135 SA, 105 SD, 20 Spd

Altaria: 75 HP, 100 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 115 SD, 90 Spd

Salamence: 95 HP, 155 Atk, 110 Def, 120 SA, 100 SD, 120 Spd

Metagross: 80 HP, 145 Atk, 140 Def, 115 SA, 110 SD, 110 Spd

Kyogre: 100 HP, 110 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 110 Spd

Groudon: 100 HP, 190 Atk, 160 Def, 110 SA, 100 SD, 110 Spd

Rayquaza: 105 HP, 180 Atk, 100 Def, 180 SA, 100 SD, 115 Spd

Lopunny: 65 HP, 116 Atk, 94 Def, 64 SA, 106 SD, 135 Spd

Gallade: 68 HP, 165 Atk, 65 Def, 85 SA, 135 SD, 100 Spd

Audino: 103 HP, 70 Atk, 116 Def, 70 SA, 116 SD, 70 Spd

Diancie: 50 HP, 150 Atk, 100 Def, 150 SA, 100 SD, 150 Spd

The horrors of a Monday morning. Updated them now.

You gave Pidgeot 105 points.

DeletePidgeot: 83 HP, 100 Atk, 85 Def, 110 SA, 90 SD, 111 Spd

DeleteAnd if you want all the other stats listed here, too bad.

I suppose I've been commenting quite a bit, but speaking of HP, an interesting gimmick I'd like to see is like a hyper-aegislash:

DeleteA pokemon with a stat spread similar to Shuckle (but more HP, obviously), but upon Mega-Evolving trades just about everything into Attack (probably 255), along with the addition of Huge Power, too. This would mean its defenses would drop down to maybe 1 each, and remember that its speed would basically leave it outsped by a Slowpoke.

What do you think of that, is it a decent idea for a future generation, or would it be horrifically overpowered?

It would basically be stuck using priority moves in hope of dishing out any damage before dying a horrible death. It would only be somewhat usable under Trick Room and need tons of support to even work... Also, priority moves would obliterate it instantly as well, no matter the condition it's used in.

DeleteTrue. I was kind of going for a focus-punch thing, but I cannot design a competitive 'mon worth anything.

DeleteDon't worry about it. I might be able to fairly easily find gameplay-related flaws with a design thanks to all the time I've spent listening to Slowflake (and all that reading on Smogon too I guess), but it's not like I could come up with a better idea myself, so I'd never hold it against you.

DeleteI really can't say, I have little experience with this kind of thing.

ReplyDeleteBut I can say that I am even more hyped for the trendy phrases. That part of your Emerald LP was simply unforgettable- I hope they haven't censored more.

Beedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 70 Def, 45 SA, 90 SD, 105 Spd

ReplyDeletePidgeot: 83 HP, 80 Atk, 95 Def, 120 SA, 90 SD, 111 Spd

Slowbro: 95 HP, 85 Atk, 150 Def, 130 SA, 100 SD, 30 Spd

Sceptile: 70 HP, 95 Atk, 75 Def, 145 SA, 95 SD, 150 Spd

Swampert: 100 HP, 150 Atk, 110 Def, 95 SA, 110 SD, 70 Spd

Sableye: 50 HP, 75 Atk, 105 Def, 115 SA, 95 SD, 40 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 140 Atk, 60 Def, 105 SA, 60 SD, 105 Spd

Camerupt: 70 HP, 130 Atk, 90 Def, 145 SA, 95 SD, 30 Spd

Altaria: 75 HP, 100 Atk, 120 Def, 100 SA, 115 SD, 80 Spd

Salamence: 95 HP, 165 Atk, 120 Def, 120 SA, 100 SD, 100 Spd

Metagross: 80 HP, 165 Atk, 140 Def, 105 SA, 100 SD, 110 Spd

Kyogre: 100 HP, 120 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 110 Spd

Groudon: 100 HP, 190 Atk, 160 Def, 120 SA, 100 SD, 100 Spd

Rayquaza: 105 HP, 180 Atk, 110 Def, 180 SA, 110 SD, 95 Spd*

Lopunny: 65 HP, 126 Atk, 94 Def, 64 SA, 106 SD, 135 Spd

Gallade: 68 HP, 165 Atk, 65 Def, 85 SA, 135 SD, 100 Spd*

Audino: 103 HP, 80 Atk, 116 Def, 70 SA, 116 SD, 60 Spd

Diancie: 50 HP, 150 Atk, 100 Def, 150 SA, 100 SD, 150 Spd*

* Is same stats as yours because they're either cookie cutter or mine are too imbalanced.

You gave 110 points to Beedrill, Lopunny and Kyogre, and 80 to Sharpedo.

DeleteBeedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 60 Def, 45 SA, 90 SD, 105 Spd

DeleteLopunny: 65 HP, 126 Atk, 84 Def, 64 SA, 106 SD, 135 Spd

Kyogre: 100 HP, 120 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 100 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 150 Atk, 60 Def, 105 SA, 60 SD, 115 Spd

Better?

Gee, sorry. You try to be helpful...

DeleteYeah, I noticed there seemed to be some vinegar to those kind of replies, but I didn't say anything in case it was all in my head. If there's really any frustration involved I think it's more directed at themselves for making a mistake than anything though.

DeleteKind of the same with people getting upset at Grammar Nazis even if they stay polite.

Sorry about the sharp tongue with my reply, I didn't want to constantly re-post the same wall of text over and over. And yeah, as 'The Seeker of All Formulas' stated, I tend to be a perfectionist with mistakes.

DeleteWhoa, Whoa, Whoa! Saying "better?" instantly means I was snapping? If I was on angry mode, I would've said "happy now?" or something like that. By now I sound like I am either retconning my statement or covering my arse. Guess I don't know my own strength.

DeleteSeriously though, lashing out on the host would be the worst idea in this scenario. The only frustration really comes from having to type more stuff. Sorry for this misunderstanding guys.

Well, I did say I wasn't SURE you were both snapping, just that it was a feeling I got. I basically replied this fully aware you'd both dissipate the misunderstanding pretty quickly if there was one. I wasn't criticizing nor attacking any of you.

DeleteOh, I apologize. It's just that tone doesn't exactly carry well on written text, especially in one's second language.

DeleteI'm just gonna put in this for Mence:

ReplyDelete145 Atk, 130 Def, 120 SpA, 100 SpD, 110 Spd

I'm pretty sure they're going to go the defensive route.

I won't participate (don't have that much free time) but I think most the stat changes I'd come up with would be similar to yours. Still wondering when the hell we're going to get the demo though...

ReplyDeleteChuggaaconroy put it kinda funny. He wonders if Nintendo is playing, "See who we can give the demo to BEFORE North America." Sure, we can boot up the GBA, but there is that Mega Evolution...

DeleteIf the rumors are true and it's Lunatone and Solrock... meh. Not that big a deal.

DeleteNow if it's something like, say, MEGA MILOTIC *wink wink*, that'll be a different story...

Flygon, Milotic and also mega Unown are all things we need.

Delete(Unown is similar but in Impact font.)

This gon' be good...

ReplyDeleteBeedrill: 65 HP, 130 Atk, 50 Def, 45 SA, 90 SD, 115 Spd

Pidgeot: 83 HP, 100 Atk, 85 Def, 111 SA, 80 SD, 120 Spd

Slowbro: 95 HP, 85 Atk, 150 Def, 130 SA, 100 SD, 30 Spd

Sceptile: 70 HP, 105 Atk, 85 Def, 135 SA, 100 SD, 135 Spd

Swampert: 100 HP, 145 Atk, 110 Def, 100 SA, 110 SD, 70 Spd

Sableye: 50 HP, 90 Atk, 120 Def, 110 SA, 80 SD, 30 Spd

Sharpedo: 70 HP, 140 Atk, 60 Def, 110 SA, 60 SD, 120 Spd

Camerupt: 70 HP, 120 Atk, 90 Def, 155 SA, 95 SD, 30 Spd

Altaria: 75 HP, 105 Atk, 110 Def, 105 SA, 115 SD, 80 Spd

Salamence: 95 HP, 150 Atk, 120 Def, 125 SA, 100 SD, 110 Spd

Metagross: 80 HP, 150 Atk, 145 Def, 110 SA, 105 SD, 110 Spd

Kyogre: 100 HP, 110 Atk, 100 Def, 190 SA, 160 SD, 110 Spd

Groudon: 100 HP, 190 Atk, 160 Def, 110 SA, 100 SD, 110 Spd

Rayquaza: 105 HP, 180 Atk, 110 Def, 180 SA, 110 SD, 95 Spd

Lopunny: 65 HP, 116 Atk, 94 Def, 54 SA, 106 SD, 145 Spd

Gallade: 68 HP, 160 Atk, 85 Def, 65 SA, 125 SD, 115 Spd

Audino: 103 HP, 80 Atk, 116 Def, 70 SA, 116 SD, 60 Spd

Diancie: 50 HP, 150 Atk, 100 Def, 150 SA, 100 SD, 150 Spd

Beedrill: 65/130(+40)/60(+20)/45/80/115(+40)

ReplyDeletePidgeot: 83/80/80(+10)/130(+40)/80(+10)/141(+40)

Slowbro: 95/75/140(+30)/150(+50)/100(+20)/30

Sceptile: 70/85/95(+30)/145(+40)/85/150(+30)

Swampert: 100/150(+40)/100(+10)/95(+10)/100(+10)/90(+30)

Sableye: 50/75/125(+50)/105(+40)/95(+30)/30(-20)

Sharpedo: 70/140(+20)/60(+20)/115(+20)/60(+20)/115(+20)

Camerupt: 70/120(+20)/90(+20)/155(+50)/95(+20)/30(-10)

Altaria: 75/110(+40)/110(+20)/110(+40)/105/80

Salamence: 95/155(+20)/120(+40)/130(+20)/80/120(+20)

Metagross: 80/145(+10)/140(+10)/115(+20)/110(+20)/110(+40)

Kyogre: 100/100/100(+10)/200(+50)/170(+30)/100(+10)

Groudon: 100/200(+50)/170(+30)/100/100(+10)/100(+10)

Rayquaza: 105/180(+30)/100(+10)/180(+30)/100(+10)/115(+20)

Lopunny: 65/126(+50)/94(+10)/54/106(+10)/135(+30)

Gallade: 68/165(+40)/75(+10)/65/125(+10)/120(+40)

Audino: 103/60/126(+40)/80(+20)/126(+40)/50

Diancie: 50/150(+50)/120(-30)/150(+50)/120(-30)/110(+60)

I'm not sure I can come up with any possible ideas for what the base stats will be, with the exception of Gallade, but what I think Gallade's will be has already been stated.

ReplyDeleteAnyway, I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not, Smogon have decided in its Ubers suspect test that Mega Gengar isn't the problem: Shadow Tag itself is the problem. Seriously, in the Ubers environment the only viable user of Shadow Tag IS Mega Gengar due to Wobbuffet's fall from grace and Gothitelle just not being as effective. The problem is not with the ability, but with one user of the Ability. This is Gen 5's Garchomp + Sand Veil all over again.

I guess we need to do Steelix and Glalie now. :D

ReplyDeleteNo, we might be able to see their stats in the demo. And even if we don't, it's too late now to ask everyone to throw in their predictions.

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