I was wondering when the subject would come up, especially since it started to be a while since Mega Kangaskhan got shown the door, and here we are.
I think it's safe to say that Mega Lucario is going to get kicked out of OU without either of its feet touching the ground. Its stats would be perfectly okay to handle on their own, but then... well, let's just say whoever decided to give it Adaptability on top of that was smoking some heavy stuff. Sure, the less savvy people will just point out that it's very easy to revenge kill, but really, so is much of the stuff that's already in ubers. I'm not saying it's not a factor at all, I'm saying it shouldn't be THE factor. This thing murders stuff so hard it just shouldn't be allowed.
Genesect is a bit more complicated, and from what I've seen there doesn't appear to be a strong consensus one way or the other. Sure, it can't exploit rain to stay alive after a Fire attack anymore, but one thing to keep in mind is that the last time it was suspect tested, it didn't have Blaze Kick, it didn't have Extremespeed, and it didn't have Shift Gear. It didn't have any incentive to use its Steel moves either. Back then, the ol' scarfed U-Turn + tri-elemental set was bog standard prior to its ban, but now it's got such a huge case of four-moveslot syndrome that it can't handle all of its own awesomeness all at once. And that's a problem, because while Genesect has an answer for almost everything, it can't use all these answers at once. Naturally the best set remains the old standard, if only because it exploits Download better than any other, but... eh, this one'll be interesting to watch.
As for Deoxys-E, it happens to display impressive synergy with Mega Lucario, and as such it's normal that it's given a look at, but if there seems to be any consensus for this it's the "wait and see" approach. With Mega Lucario gone, will it still remain as dangerous? Of course it has a lot to offer, and will always be a powerful tool, but Mega Lucario's sheer destructive power and ability to put overwhelming pressure on everything is what makes Deoxys-E's (and, for that matter, Deoxys-LG's) hazards pay for themselves so well.
So, any thoughts on the matter?
Mega Lucario is likely going to be no contest. It hits harder than a tank, it's very fast, it's unpredictable and because it can run both physical and special sets, there is absolutely no safe switch in against Lucario aside from the Uber walls Giratina and Multiscale Lugia. And revenge killing it is even harder because of its access to Extreme Speed. Giving it Adaptability was complete overkill.
ReplyDeleteGenesect I'm not sure about. All in all, Genesect has taken a bit of a hit in this generation since it now suffers from 4 moveslot syndrone. Though that can also be an advantage. I do wonder if the old Genesect + Dugtrio combo is as devastating now as it was back before Genesect was initially banned. Back then, Genesect and Dugtrio had so much synergy it was incredible.
Deoxys-E is probably the least likely to be banned I see. Aside from setting up hazards and stopping others set up hazards it's not very good at much due to it's too well balanced stats from what I've seen. Calm mind sets are stopped cold by Blissey. I would like to see Deoxys-E given a separate test once Mega Lucario is gone though.
Mega Lucario is going to get banned, no surprise, and I think getting Deoxys-E tested while its main purpose is 'helping' Mega Lucario is kind of stupid, so I hope it doesn't get banned just yet.
ReplyDeleteMega Lucario I saw a huge thread yesterday growing and growing, and yeah, it sweeps, stops everything, super fast and it has adaptablility
ReplyDeleteGenesect is staying OU it seems, unless someone can find a way to save it from grace with an amazing set or with a new event/movie
Deo-E could be, but then again, we'll see if Mega-Luke is out then Deo-E still has good synergy with other pokes just not as good, this one I really am unshure
And with Lucario, it can be pretty damn unpredictable with a Special set as well.
ReplyDeleteM-Lucario is definitely going for sure. There's no way to 100% be sure of what set it's running and once you know, the damage may have already be done. Sure, you can revenge kill it, but at what cost, 2-3 of your pokemon?
ReplyDeleteAs for the others, I am not too sure of. I am new to this so M-Lucario was the only thing I was cure of being kicked to Ubers. Slowflake gave some good points on Genesect and Deoxys-Speed form for me to think about so thanks.
I'm sure someday in the not-so distant future, things like mega lucario and mega blaziken will seem balanced. I recall a troll gamefaqs thread that predicted a future with 4th stage evolutions and "Your pokemon has less than 500 attack? LOL!"
ReplyDeleteI doubt Game Freak would go that far.
DeleteI'm going to preserve your statement and remind you in ten years.
DeleteThat's if I'm even around in 10 years.
DeleteWoah... are you that old? Or is it cancer or diabetes? I'm so sorry, dude.
DeleteCalm down, I mean if it even crosses my mind to surf the net or if the blog is still up for me to comment on it. I'm not dying of anything and I'm under 20 years old.
Deletewell mega mawile and mega medicham's attack stats are well over 600 so its already starting to happen
DeleteThrough abilities.
DeleteMega Luke is out. It's absolutely ABSURD, and unlike most things, it doesn't even need to be in the right hands for it. That thing is nuts. The fact that you NEED Talonflame or whatever else to go in and kill it is a huge problem, but the fact that they are going to be destroyed afterwards, thus allowing a SECOND sweeper? No. No, that thing is unfair. He dominates just as much as early Gen4 Garchomp with the only difference being the metagame isn't AS absurdly centralized to it.
ReplyDeleteGenesect is a stickier issue. Sure, he's GOOD, but... I just don't see it being TOO good. He needs a lot of support, you need to have things to handle what it cannot, and every battle you will regret not having X move no matter what the set. That diversity is troubling, but for both players. He's OU with an asterisk, that asterisk being a "wait and see what develops".
Speaking of wait and see, Deoxys E. Consensus is right here, that thng is still the best setup of hazards, but he's fallen since his old, Gen4 hazard-and-sweep days. Speed's still there, but that defense is starting to look very thin, and setting up a single layer of hazards - MAYBE 2 - isn't even remotely as good any more (except Sticky Web, but he can't put DOWN Sticky Web.) The only reason he's so amazing right now is there's a sweeper that can use one layer and still get away with it, but that's about to change. He's firmly OU. For now. We'll wait until the next absurd threat is found to say either way - if it also can team with Deoxys hilariously, then we'll start talks.