Wednesday, January 29, 2014

Phione finally allowed in a tournament?

After gen 6's first battle competition was announced yesterday, the official Korean site may have accidentally leaked the ruleset. It is as follows:

First, the battles are to be Double Battles and you can use any Pokémon in the National Pokédex, except Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal or Zygarde, and you cannot use transferred Pokémon from previosu generations. All Pokémon will be made to be Level 30 in the competition. In addition to that, there's a new regulation included. In this competition, you can only have 20 battles per day, but if you participate in less than 20 in one day, you can make it up in another so if you make 15 battles in Day 1, then you can do 25 battles in Day 2. After the competition, there will be a survey on how it was run, running from February 28th to March 7th.

The key point here is that you can't use transferred Pokémon. Every Pokémon that's typically banned in tournaments HAS to be transferred, aside from the four mentioned.

To one notable exception: Phione.

Sure, you have to transfer over a Manaphy or a Phione, but then you can start breeding them and make Phiones to your heart's content. And as far as I can see, nothing in the rules prevents that. It's not Mewtwo, Xerneas, Yveltal or Zygarde, and it's the offspring of a transferred Pokémon, it's not a transferred Pokémon itself. Yay for loopholes! Now, the million dollar question: can you transfer a Manaphy egg into Pokémon Bank, then X or Y, effectively making it a Kalos-native Manaphy? It'd be so hilarious if that was the case and everyone in charge just missed that.

My best guess as to why they're so insistent on having Pokémon participating in tournaments be born or caught in Kalos is that to the best of our knowledge, there's no Pokésav or anything like that for gen 6 games, so any Pokémon that's from Kalos is pretty much guaranteed to be legitimate. Unfortunately, it has the side effect of completely preventing the use of any legendaries from gens 2 through 5, as well as Mew and... Unown. Yep, Unown is totally incapable of breeding, so there can be no such thing as a Kalos-native Unown. Some tutor-only moves are also a no-no.

Edit: Turns out the banlist was incomplete. The typical banlist is what's enforced here, so no Phione. Again.

10 comments:

  1. I was watching a video on PokeBank and he was unable to transfer a normal egg so I doubt a Manaphy egg will transfer. That would be funny though.

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  2. Can you even transfer a manaphy egg from gen 4 to gen 5? Who would just leave it there after a toys R us event from SEVEN YEARS AGO and never hatch it?

    As for the ban of transferred pokemon, well, I have a lot of competitive pokemon in gen 5 I worked hard on and I never used external devices or pokesav to create them. They're all natural. I feel like I'm being discriminated, but I didn't do the tournament from last gen so I can't even enter, anyway.

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  3. Lol nope, official rules revealed today states Phione is banned. Denied.

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  4. I don't think there is any way to make a loophole for manaphy as I'm pretty sure you can't poketransfer eggs. (It would be interesting to see the little eggs hop from bush to bush) Can pokebank connect to GenIV games? Maybe if they would release it ever we would know.

    Also why such a random level to auto level everything to. Are they just trying to ruin everyone's EV spreads?

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  5. So now Phione is banned but Mega-Gengar, Mega-Kangaskhan, and (Mega-or-not) Blaziken are A-Okay to use. I can't imagine what pokemon may be seeing a lot of use in this tourney.....

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    1. You're forgetting that this is a doubles tournament, and as such what works and what doesn't is completely different.

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    2. That's somewhat true yeah (doesn't help that there is so little focus on doubles in the competitive community that it's hard to really think of...they really need to tier doubles battles at least I think). That said, the point was more that Phione keeps being banned just because it is only obtained by breeding an event-only pokemon despite the fact that it's mediocre in every way but non-legend Ubers will still be allowed of course. Even if some aren't as useful in doubles I'd still think the above can still have a good showing (except Mega-Gengar, I wonder if it would do better in Doubles due to Shadow Tag with the right partner).

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    3. So little focus... yet Smogon has a doubles tier on their site and on Pokemon Showdown...

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  6. As if anyone would use Phione anyway...

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  7. even if you could transfer a Manaphy egg the manaphy would still not be a x and y native. http://prntscr.com/2ojn85 when the egg is made that bit of data is forever saved to it. unlike the trainer name and IDs

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