Saturday, September 12, 2015

The Zygarde mystery untangled

As most of us expected, it's getting two alternate forms, labeled 10% and Perfect. Perfect Zygarde is the silhouette we've seen before, and it's said to exceed Xerneas and Yveltal in power... though Kyurem had the same thing going for it, and we all know how THAT went. It's safe to assume Perfect Zygarde will have 700 BST - and it's also possible fusion of some kind is involved, since it has some blue and red on it. As for the 10% form (the one that looks like a dog), we don't know much about it, except that it's really speedy. We also don't know whatever its stat total could potentially look like, and there's still no word on how Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves will work. Finally, the tiny blobs we've seen are the Zygarde Core and the Zygarde Cell, which makes up the mind of the new forms. No idea how it's going to translate in gameplay terms... we still have a lot to learn about all these new things, such as how the transformations are triggered in the first place, although we at least have the basics figured out.

There's also supposed to be some palette-swapped Greninja or something, but there's no word on what it's supposed to do. I'm just hoping it's not a further buff or anything, because it does NOT need it.

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  1. I've been thinking Ash Greninja is perhaps another Sunglasses Krookodile (i.e., something that stays in the anime). Because how the hell would that form change make sense, or even work? "If you're playing as the male trainer and input 'Ash' as your name, then all Greninja will become Ash Greninja."

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  2. A snippet on Serebii says that Zygarde turns into it's perfect form when it cannot defeat an opponent at its 50% form. Which is making me wonder if the form change happened in battle somehow.

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    1. I hope not. Maybe it's flowery text for, "When you catch Zygarde, thus defeating it, give it its Signature Move, and it will unleash its full power!" Otherwise, it'll be Mamoswine riding until that giant snake thing falls. I'd think it'd be the dog form that'd be accessed that way, but meh. What are you gonna do?...

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  3. I love how they already changed the anime's name to incorporate "Z", a game that has not actually been announced yet and is probably a ways off.




    oh by the way, have you see the hyrule warrior 3ds news?

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    1. I mean recently, with the famitsu information. Toon Link confirmed with more characters coming, 2 new actual maps (WindFall/Forbidden FOrtress combo, Dragonroost), new enemies (the miniblins as the trash mob, a spirit tracks blin as the mid-tier) a new boss (Helmaroc), a new hammer item, detailed the ocarina item etc
      the new maps & story were also shown with wii u so that will come over too

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  4. Any reason why they didn't announce Z also? It seems all but confirmed now.

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    1. To give naive people hope that it will be Xz and Yz instead. With how Zygarde's alternate Formes will probably work, I doubt their hope will mean much...

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  5. Like someone already said, the Greninja shown in the Corocoro leak is pretty much Ash's Greninja with the colors of Ash's clothes, and, unless they somehow give it to us through an event, it's anime-only.

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  6. I'm getting a large DBZ vibe from the Zygarde forms. Maybe that idea sparked because one of the forms is named Cell, but I can't get it out of my head.

    Also, I'm assuming the Greninja is going to be an anime thing, since it's called 'Satoshi Greninja'. We might get an event, but I very much doubt it's going to get anything particularly special.

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    1. Copypaste from ZebraGoomba on the TSG forums:

      1. It has a "perfect" form

      2. It has a form called a "Cell" form

      3. Pokemon "Z"

      4. Green with black wings

      5. It has red and blue on its wings...so maybe it "absorbs" the Androi- I MEAN Xerneas and Yveltal...

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  7. Mega Evolution Act 4 will just be Perfect Zygarde and Ash Greninja powering up for 30 minutes.

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    1. That depends on if Zygarde can speak through telepathy. That thing is not screaming without it...

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    2. Probably
      I just really want Zygarde to turn into bascially Cell but a Pokemon
      even with a tournament of his own please

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    3. I'm not a Dragon Ball nut, as I think the drawn-out fight scenes wouldn't make for an exciting series, but eh. At least Zygarde's Complete Formes look cool. On a different note, I am hoping against hope that we get the Battle Frontier in Z. Considering Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire trolled us with that, I mean...

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    4. I doubt their reasoning for why ORAS didnt have a battle frontier changed while Z was being made

      Enjoy Battle Maison: The Return of the Revenge

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    5. If the Frontier Brain theme is played in ORAS, then I'm sure we'll get more than the Battle Maison 2: The Quest for Money...

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    6. I'm thinking the Frontier Brain theme was just to say "hey, we didn't *totally* forget about Emerald!"

      I'd love to be wrong and see something other than the Battle Maison in Z, though.

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    7. The reason I want it to be the Battle Frontier is mainly because competitive training is easier than ever. Thus, the Battle Frontier would be more fun, and their cheating won't cripple you as much. I'm thinking it was trolling or foreshadowing for Z including it...

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  8. So if people refer to Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire as ORAS, then that means X and Y and XY & Z will be called XYXYZ, right?

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    1. Also please tell me I'm misinformed because XY & Z is a terrible name.

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    2. XY & Z is just for the anime. No announcements have been made for a video game.

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  9. i think that his gonna get this spread

    HP:108
    ATK:141
    DEF:141
    SPATK:91
    SPDEF:125
    SPE:105
    Total:700

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  10. Perfect Zygarde's BST could be Zygarde 50% form's BST doubled, because that would make sense.

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    1. >A Pokemon with 1200 BST

      *shudders intensely*

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    2. In a world where one of the most overpowering forces has 480 BST and NO ITEM SLOT, I don't know what to expect anymore.

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    3. ARE. YOU. INSANE?! 1200 BST?! Yeah, that *totally* doesn't sound like an unholy abomination AT ALL.

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    4. inb4 it happens and its ability is Truant.

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    5. Not even attacking one of five turns would balance such a horror.

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    6. Taking into account that the HP has to remain the same, we'd be looking at a Titan with a BST of 1292. Even if it had Slow Start, it would be joining Rayquaza in AG due to that making even Groudon's bulk look like Deoxys-A. So it would be EVEN MORE BROKEN THAN BASE 1200...

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    7. By that, I mean 1192. Of course, that could also mean those extra 8 points could go anywhere...

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  11. "This is the perfect Forme that Zygarde takes when the Core gathers 100% of the Cells. When the ecosystem is under threat, and the Core concludes that the 50% Forme will be unable to deal with it, the Core takes on the Complete Forme."
    Seems to imply that Zygarde will start as the core forme and actually getting its other formes will be some sort of Collectathon sidequest. Not sure what the "Core concludes that 50% Forme will be unable to deal with it" implies though. Either it'll be story-based, which could potentially mean that either that collectathon won't be a sidequest after all, or that it could be a permanent missable, which would be very odd to see in Pokémon. Or it could be an activated transformation during battle like Mega Evolutions, but not quite.

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    1. Also, Ash-Greninja... They say that it took Ash's appearance because their bond grew to be very strong. Would they be building up to the reveal of a potential future Mega Evolution?
      (All this info taken from the official website, by the way)

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    2. That's the LAST thing Greninja needs...

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    3. Assuming it keeps Protean, that is.

      ...Oh, who am I kidding, that's probably what would happen.

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